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You’re in a game. There are three doors. Behind one is $100,000, the other two have nothing. You make a choice, and then the game-master opens one of the other doors, shows that it is empty, and gives you the opportunity to change your choice of door. Should you? The answer is yes. The unopened door not chosen by you has a two-thirds chance of having the prize behind it.
This conundrum, known as the “Monty Hall problem”, trips up a lot of people, who miss the basic asymmetry involved in the game*. There is a lot of this about, no less in the twitchy watching of Greens polling numbers in Oz politics. In 2007 the Greens polled 7%. In 2010 they polled 11%. In the last couple of years they dipped to 7% again.
Now, after the Papua New Guinea deal, their numbers may be shooting up again, especially institut za medicinska istrazivanja as the deal turns out to be a messy disaster in the making. Every dip and rise is taken as some existential disaster or triumph — usually the former, with the Greens allegedly about to wink out of existence altogether.
Doubtless the Greens would prefer to be on 11% than 7%, but the fluctuations would only be a disaster if they were competing with nine other parties who were all around the 10% mark — that is, if there was parity. But with three asymmetrical parties it becomes institut za medicinska istrazivanja a little more complicated.
If we look at the usual ALP primary and the Greens primary as one unit — say 40% and 10% respectively of the total vote as a simple baseline — when there’s some inner-city elites chai-and-sodomy gathering of 50 people debating who to vote for, that is two of those 50 switching back and forth, from one election to the next. Crunched down into the sort of units where political debate and discussion happens — neighbourhoods, workplaces, schools, friendship networks, etc — the asymmetric effect on the two parties can be seen.
So when that magic three- to four-point swing goes from three Greens to Labor it looks like a disaster for the Greens and a relatively small gain for Labor; when it goes the other way it looks like a relatively small loss from Labor, institut za medicinska istrazivanja compared with some triumphal return to the Greens. But in both cases it’s the same thing — an English teacher in Bendigo and her aromatherapist partner institut za medicinska istrazivanja have got the hump with either Rudd or Milne, or switched on the accession of Gillard/retirement of Bob Brown, as the case may be — the institut za medicinska istrazivanja pattern has been repeated across the country, and the poll numbers have shifted.
That of course relies on one, I think reasonable, supposition: the Greens are a class party, with a small but solid class base who put a floor under any fluctuations. That makes them unlike their predecessors the Democrats, a coalition of diverse political forces, who were thus exposed institut za medicinska istrazivanja to the horror of going out backwards and polling an asterisk. If there were any chance that the ALP could recapture the Green core, it disappeared last week.
That asymmetry doubtless creates some nerve-shattering lurches, for the Greens, but it’s arguable that they are better placed than the ALP to withstand it for two reasons — first, the volume of the vote means that there’s more capacity to round it up by doorknocking and personal contact (that’s if they do pound the pavement, at which they are sometime remiss). The ALP with plummetting numbers is bailing out a very leaky boat, with a pretty leaky bucket.
The second reason is, as I noted yesterday , that Labor has so deconstructed its own class base and broad class coalition that it has now set itself an extra task, which the other parties institut za medicinska istrazivanja are not subject to — US-style, it must now round up a whole sub-section of its class base it could hitherto have regarded as assured. That must be done in the face of a virulently hostile media oligarchy in News Crop. It’s a measure of how residually shifted towards Labor Australia is that anyone votes for it at all.
How come this political process between Labor and Greens institut za medicinska istrazivanja so rarely gets a sober assessment? The lack of a genuine class analysis of politics among the shrunken mainstream commentarati is one; another is their concomitant desire that the Greens would disappear so they could focus on stories about who’s up who in 19 different factions in a two-horse race.
But so too a lot of journalists have simply internalised the hatred directed institut za medicinska istrazivanja towards cultural and knowledge institut za medicinska istrazivanja workers characteristic of the new right
Cinetology Croakey Culture Mulcher Curtain Call First Blog on the Moon Fully (sic) Laugh Track Liticism The Northern Myth Plane Talking The Poll Bludger Pollytics The Stump The Urbanist Truth to Tell Wires and Lights The World is Not Enough
Our Pick
You’re in a game. There are three doors. Behind one is $100,000, the other two have nothing. You make a choice, and then the game-master opens one of the other doors, shows that it is empty, and gives you the opportunity to change your choice of door. Should you? The answer is yes. The unopened door not chosen by you has a two-thirds chance of having the prize behind it.
This conundrum, known as the “Monty Hall problem”, trips up a lot of people, who miss the basic asymmetry involved in the game*. There is a lot of this about, no less in the twitchy watching of Greens polling numbers in Oz politics. In 2007 the Greens polled 7%. In 2010 they polled 11%. In the last couple of years they dipped to 7% again.
Now, after the Papua New Guinea deal, their numbers may be shooting up again, especially institut za medicinska istrazivanja as the deal turns out to be a messy disaster in the making. Every dip and rise is taken as some existential disaster or triumph — usually the former, with the Greens allegedly about to wink out of existence altogether.
Doubtless the Greens would prefer to be on 11% than 7%, but the fluctuations would only be a disaster if they were competing with nine other parties who were all around the 10% mark — that is, if there was parity. But with three asymmetrical parties it becomes institut za medicinska istrazivanja a little more complicated.
If we look at the usual ALP primary and the Greens primary as one unit — say 40% and 10% respectively of the total vote as a simple baseline — when there’s some inner-city elites chai-and-sodomy gathering of 50 people debating who to vote for, that is two of those 50 switching back and forth, from one election to the next. Crunched down into the sort of units where political debate and discussion happens — neighbourhoods, workplaces, schools, friendship networks, etc — the asymmetric effect on the two parties can be seen.
So when that magic three- to four-point swing goes from three Greens to Labor it looks like a disaster for the Greens and a relatively small gain for Labor; when it goes the other way it looks like a relatively small loss from Labor, institut za medicinska istrazivanja compared with some triumphal return to the Greens. But in both cases it’s the same thing — an English teacher in Bendigo and her aromatherapist partner institut za medicinska istrazivanja have got the hump with either Rudd or Milne, or switched on the accession of Gillard/retirement of Bob Brown, as the case may be — the institut za medicinska istrazivanja pattern has been repeated across the country, and the poll numbers have shifted.
That of course relies on one, I think reasonable, supposition: the Greens are a class party, with a small but solid class base who put a floor under any fluctuations. That makes them unlike their predecessors the Democrats, a coalition of diverse political forces, who were thus exposed institut za medicinska istrazivanja to the horror of going out backwards and polling an asterisk. If there were any chance that the ALP could recapture the Green core, it disappeared last week.
That asymmetry doubtless creates some nerve-shattering lurches, for the Greens, but it’s arguable that they are better placed than the ALP to withstand it for two reasons — first, the volume of the vote means that there’s more capacity to round it up by doorknocking and personal contact (that’s if they do pound the pavement, at which they are sometime remiss). The ALP with plummetting numbers is bailing out a very leaky boat, with a pretty leaky bucket.
The second reason is, as I noted yesterday , that Labor has so deconstructed its own class base and broad class coalition that it has now set itself an extra task, which the other parties institut za medicinska istrazivanja are not subject to — US-style, it must now round up a whole sub-section of its class base it could hitherto have regarded as assured. That must be done in the face of a virulently hostile media oligarchy in News Crop. It’s a measure of how residually shifted towards Labor Australia is that anyone votes for it at all.
How come this political process between Labor and Greens institut za medicinska istrazivanja so rarely gets a sober assessment? The lack of a genuine class analysis of politics among the shrunken mainstream commentarati is one; another is their concomitant desire that the Greens would disappear so they could focus on stories about who’s up who in 19 different factions in a two-horse race.
But so too a lot of journalists have simply internalised the hatred directed institut za medicinska istrazivanja towards cultural and knowledge institut za medicinska istrazivanja workers characteristic of the new right
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